Tuesday 23 March 2010

Generous with other people's money

Easy come...easy go!

When I visit Ball’s family in the slum, we spend most of our time in the sitting room, which opens on to an alleyway.

People can enter or leave any time they like. Many do, including some faces I have never seen before.

These include miserable types who come begging for food and money.

I don’t know how well Mum knows them, but they feel sufficiently at ease in her company to just walk in and sit down.

They neither knock on the door, nor call out to announce their arrival. They just appear...wanting things.

About midday, I dropped in to see Ball’s Mum.

She had just returned from a trip to the market, and told me the events of the morning past.

Ball and his girlfriend made it to work, though they had to hire motorbike taxis to get there.

Normally, Ball’s younger brother Beer would take them, but yesterday his motorcycle would not start.

Mum gave them B60 each for a motorcycle taxi instead, which left her short of money she would normally give to Mr B to recharge his petrol tank.

Mr B puts B100 of petrol in the family motorbike every day.

‘I have no money left,’ she said, almost in passing.

I thought about this remark. If he didn’t fill up his tank, how could he pick up Ball and his girlfriend from work?

I pulled out a B100 note, and gave it to Mr B. He gave me a wai of thanks.

Mum was chatting away as she fed one of the kids.

Her own mother sat on a pull-out couch next to us. Another half dozen people were mingling about, including a teenage girl who spends most of her days at Mum’s place (her own parents aren’t up to the task of caring for her), and Mr B.

A moment later, I looked up, and found some old wizened guy had parked himself beside Mum.

He let himself in without a word, and sat down.

‘I haven’t eaten in two days. Can I borrow some money?’ he asked.

Mum didn’t look the least surprised to see him. ‘Perhaps you haven’t eaten for two days because you’ve been drinking instead?’ she asked.

‘Oh, no...I have stopped that. I am back at work, but have to wait three days before they pay me,’ he said.

Mum’s reaction surprised me.

‘Beer, give him the B100,’ she said.

Mr B meekly handed it over.

Hang on – that was money I gave them for petrol, not to help some grafter from the slum!

‘Hand it back! That money is not for you!' I told the old guy.

The old guy looked at me. He knew my name, which didn’t surprise me, as Thais have a way with names.

‘Mali, I really haven’t eaten for days,’ he told me.

‘I don’t believe you,’ I said.

He mumbled a few words, about how he’d repay the loan the next day. Then he left, as quietly as he had arrived.

I was unhappy that Ball’s mother could give away money I had handed to her only moments before, to some bum I had never met.

‘I have known him for years. He’s a building contractor, and hires Ball occasionally to help him lay tiles. However, he’s also a drinker, and forgets to buy himself food,’ she said matter-of-factly.

‘But now Mr B can’t refill his petrol tank!’ I told her, exasperated.

‘He has a good heart,’ she said.

‘I am sure he has...especially when you are giving him things. How much has he borrowed?’

‘He has borrowed B1000 over the years...but one day he will pay it back,’ she said.

‘Now you can add another B100 to the debt,’ I said.

I was angry, though part of me also felt sorry for Thais who insist on giving to those less fortunate.

They don’t appear to apply the same criteria which I would in assessing whether to give: for example, is he a worthy cause who helps himself? Or is he simply an irresponsible waster?

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I had gone to Ball’s place intending to discuss a proposal that I top up the money she gives her son every day for work.

If I added a mere B40 a day, say, he would have enough to get a motorcycle home on those days when his brother failed to turn up. He could save the rest.

But after seeing how generous his mother could be with other people’s money, I decided against.

If I enter such an arrangement at all, it probably will be Mum’s friend Noi, who works in the same office as Ball, and helped him get his job as a security guard.

She buys him snacks to eat during the day. I could give her the money instead.

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‘Ball’s mother has money - don’t worry about her,’ said carer R.

I dropped in to see him at his ya dong stand last night.

‘Ball has started work, but she still gives him just a tiny amount of money each day, as if he’s not earning a wage,’ he said.

Mum also holds on to her son’s ATM card. No doubt she is looking forward to his first pay day, when she can ask him to help meet the family’s outgoings.

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Ball himself turned up about 11pm.

He stayed clear of the ya dong, which was sensible.

Ball looked haggard and drawn. He was forced to walk home again last night, as his brother failed to turn up.

His mother wants to buy him a pushbike to get to work, so he no longer has to rely on the family motorbike.

However, Ball would rather wait until he has enough money to put down a deposit on his own motorbike, which he will share with girlfriend Jay.

‘I will have to find somewhere to park it. A friend suggests Patpong, but I have no idea where that is,’ he said.

'I will help you with the motorbike,’ I said.

Ball objected.

‘I have asked Mum not to ask for any help from you, except maybe for the occasional drink,’ he said.

'As for your trip home from work tomorrow, let me give you B100,’ I said.

Ball was reluctant to accept it. I bickered and negotiated with him for half an hour before he would finally let me thrust the note into his hand.

As we sat, the rings around his eyes were growing darker, and his breath began to whistle and wheeze in his chest.

It was time my young friend went to bed. At midnight, I escorted Ball home.

Again, I tried to give him the B100.

‘I am worried my friends will think I am tricking the farang,’ he said miserably.

We were standing in the alleyway, which was quiet and still.

‘They can’t see us. Who knows?

‘I have had a terrible day. Let me feel good about at least one thing I have done,’ I pleaded.

Ball took the money, gave me a deep wai, and went home to bed.

6 comments:

  1. 26 comments:

    Anonymous22 March 2010 at 22:03
    BKK in your story telling you seem to keep searching for a hidden key that once turned will set straight Ball, Jay, beer, mum and the other members of their extended family. I don't think it exists.

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    Bkkdreamer23 March 2010 at 03:52
    Anon: Yes, I am sure it must seem like that.
    I see things that make me want to throw up my hands and walk away. But then I come upon something else which restores my faith in this crowd, so I go back for another serving.

    Like you, I doubt that the magic key exists.

    Why do we carry on with this struggle? When I have found the answer as to why I am still a voluntary participant in this drama, I may have found my magic key. I am not there yet.

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    Russ24 March 2010 at 12:17
    On your previous post someone anonymous made a pointed comment about your relationship with Ball. It was pointed and condescending, but I couldn't help notice that it has been since removed.
    It was not written by me but I did think that even as harsh as it was, it contained abundant truth. I can appreciate why you removed it, but I'm weary of people who can't take some no nonsense, straight-up feedback.
    In the end, it's your blog and your life.... I hope you don't get into something that's way over your head. (This is genuine concern.)

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    Anonymous24 March 2010 at 12:44
    Glad you noticed the 'abundant truth' Russ. I wrote that comment and knew that BKK would delete it. He regularly deletes my posts that criticize his choices.

    I've written about his co-dependent relationship with Maiyuu for a couple of years.. and now I read how he's trying to start another long term co-dependent relationship with Ball.

    Frankly I don't understand why a European gay man would move to Thailand.. and not have sex. BKK's lack of sexual relationships or experiences has got to be a continuing source of frustration and sublimation.

    I think he'd do himself and his sex drive a favor if he got physical with the guys he's attracted to. I'm not a psychologist and I'm not heartless. But I believe that BKK uses his charity to disguise his lust.. just as he's used Ball's desire to drink as an entryway into his life.

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    Bkkdreamer24 March 2010 at 17:04
    Russ: There is a difference between 'no-nonsense, straight-up feedback', and comments which are plain offensive. From memory, Anon called me 'pathetic' and a few other choice words.

    Feedback doesn't have to contain swearing to be offensive. Try putting yourself on the receiving end of it regularly, and we'll see how you bear up.

    I discussed this matter with a friend, who like you and sharp-eyed Mr Anon noticed that the comment had been deleted.

    Like you, he thought I should have kept it, if only to illustrate the range of views among readers.

    I did intend to mention Anon's comment in the body of a blog post the next day, which is my usual approach to comments I have deleted but which I still think might interest readers.

    I am happy to run Anon's comments, but not when they are designed to offend. His contribution today is more restrained, which is why it will stay.

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    Anonymous24 March 2010 at 17:45
    "Anon called me 'pathetic".. definition of pathetic: ' having a capacity to move one to either compassionate or contemptuous pity. ' Merriam Webster's Dictionary.

    BKK, let your readers judge if the word 'pathetic' doesn't aptly describe many aspects of your ongoing personal interactions with Ball and his family and friends.

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    Anonymous24 March 2010 at 17:55
    some one is telling porkies 100 baht a day for petrol i have a honda dream and can't put 100baht in the tank
    80 baht to fill last me for 4 days

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    Anonymous24 March 2010 at 17:55
    'I did intend to mention Anon's comment in the body of a blog post the next day, which is my usual approach to comments that I have deleted BUT I THINK MIGHT INTEREST READERS.' Really BKK ?? How does that work.. you take my juice.. and then edit it to fit your opinion and mood ?

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  2. Bkkdreamer24 March 2010 at 18:13
    Here's the orginal comment left by Anon, whch I deleted because it's offensive, and also for the d$$ck reference. I don't want to lose my advertising on this page just because Anon can't keep a moderate tongue in his head:

    'BKK why would you give Ball money to drink when drinking is what gets him into trouble? Wouldn't it be cheaper and less destructive to Ball if you just started sucking his dick and going home ? That's what's behind all this generosity and care.. it's just your sublimated frustrated sex drive doing anything it can to persuade Ball to continue to let you have access to his life. I'm well into middle age, and I can easily walk an hour to get anywhere I need to go.. why can't Ball ? Your reasons for continuing to coddle and help him are becoming more and more transparent, pathetic and absurd.'

    Shortly after Anon left this comment, another one appeared in a similar vein. It survives intact (meaning it wasn't deleted), because it contained nothing objectionable - even if I didn't agree with it, and I still don't.

    Contrary to what some readers are suggesting above, I do want to hear your comments. One reader leaves a response, another reader responds to that, and suddenly this blog is on a roll.

    However, I won't accept posts which could result in Google pulling my ads. Nor will I accept anything which adds nothing to the debate but is designed purely to be offensive.

    Provocative is fine; offensive belongs in the 'recycling' bin, in PC-speak.

    At times I may misread the tone of a post, or the author's intent; that is inevitable, as I am not a genius with the language.

    In almost all cases, a post which is sensibly argued and moderately phrased (no swearing, hyperbole etc) will survive...even by the same author, arguing the same point.

    Keep it clean, and polite, and no one could possibly object.

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    lance24 March 2010 at 18:16
    I hate to say this...but you are turning into a walking ATM...yes I am sure these people appreciate your wit and humor...but most extreme poor asians that have access to foreigners dream of having a "sugar-uncle"....thats you...i am surprised you even think of a payment program to help...my advice ...cut it out...from time to time bring a pizza or go out for a bite to eat..bring who you want ...end it there ...you will just set yourself up for dissapointment....example...when your 100bt ended up in the hands of mums friend....its just a different culture.....just be friends ...stop trying to be a "sugar uncle"....with all do respect..its just my advice by being in the same boat as you many many times

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    hendrikbkk24 March 2010 at 18:35
    What a nonsense by Mr Anon on reasons why westerners move to Thailand. We are not all sex hungry expats in a country where sex is more easily avaialble then taxis.
    What this blog makes so interesting is the coleur locale, parts of Bangkok I don't encounter often. I will not read this blog if it is about Silom and sexual adventures, I can have them myself and for sure will not be interested to read about this, that is so generic.
    If Ball was 'harvested' after the first meeting, what else will there be to write?

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    Bkkdreamer24 March 2010 at 18:35
    Anon re motorbike: Thank you. I shall tell Beer's Mum. Her youngest child sneaks out to play computer games in the middle of the night. I suspect he might be siphoning off some of that petrol money to play games.

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    Anonymous24 March 2010 at 18:45
    BKK.. I'm glad you re-posted my comment.. as anyone can read.. I didn't call you 'pathetic' I wrote that 'your reasons... are becoming more and more transparent, pathetic and absurd.' It wasn't my intention to make an ad hominem comment about you, but instead describe what you're doing. I'm not an insensitive clod and I don't wish for any disappointments, heart-aches or conflicts to come your way.

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  3. Bkkdreamer24 March 2010 at 18:50
    Anon: I may have misread the intention of your comments re pathetic, absurd and so on.

    It happens occasionally, as I am not an expert at these things, which is why in most cases I will let reader comments stand.

    I am pleased we have talked about these things, as I am sure you are not the only reader who believes I am sexually repressed, and am letting this problem guide my response to Ball.

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    Bkkdreamer24 March 2010 at 18:57
    Hendrik:

    Most reader reaction fails to discuss the issues raised in particular posts, which is a pity.

    However, some can find it in themselves to get involved. The other day, one generous reader emailed me with details of bus routes from Silom to the part of town where Ball and I live.

    Another discussed various options for getting him to work and back.

    I don't expect this from all readers.

    In response to this post, I would have liked some feedback from readers on whether they had encountered similar brazenness from Thais. I hand over money, and they hand it on to someone else, and right in front of my face, as if I wasn't even there.

    I am still waiting for reactions in that vein; maybe they won't arrive, perhaps because readers have not experienced anything similar themselves.

    That's fine...in which case, let the story be a lesson to all of us.

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    Anonymous24 March 2010 at 21:59
    BKK, not your same situation but once I read a story by an anthropologist in the MidEast who wanted to help a poor man who was an chronic alcoholic by buying him some proper food and other items, but not giving him money which he would surely spend on alcohol. The other villagers got very angry with the anthropologist when he told them of his plan. Finally one person explained it by saying "He is a man, let him decide." I personally don't agree, but there it is.

    Did you ever get your phone back or try calling the number or asking if anyone found it? Maybe offer a reward to see if a thief might be revealed?

    I have a better opinion of Maiyuu since you have been posting his cooking. Looks like he is a really good cook.

    wwqvd

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    Anonymous24 March 2010 at 23:18
    BKK there are plenty of other sites for foul mouthed cynical old queens like 'anon' to spew their venom. Please don't let this site become one of those. 'anon' and his ilk think they are being witty but it quickly becomes tiresome and dreary. I agree with you that if 'anon' is really sincere in wanting to convey his opinion, he can do it with out the 'colorful' and 'demeaning' adjectives.

    Silicon Farang

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  4. Russ24 March 2010 at 23:20
    Thank you for taking the time to backtrack. I was almost sorry I submitted my comment but I believe fielding comments keeps an open perspective, even if the comments are 'rough'.
    I just think you're treading on dangerous ground with these people. I don't know them, I have never met them so it's not fair for me to sit behind a keyboard and judge anyone.
    I just hope they're not taking advantage of you because they're aware of your fondness for Ball.
    As for lusting over a hot, young, unavailable man - it's a free world and it won't stop me.

    Thanks for the stories. I do obsessively check for the next bend in the road.

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    Anonymous25 March 2010 at 04:46
    I've been following along for a week or two and find the blog interesting to say the least.

    As for commenting on Ball's mother's action of giving the money away, it makes me wonder if maybe she did not actually need money for petrol. Maybe she gave it away (quickly, easily and nonchalantly by the sounds of it) because she either has a stash, or because she is taking advantage of you. Two other details that make me suspicious is the previous commenter mentioned that 100B is more than a motobike will take, and also Ball's initial refusal of you 100B note. Perhaps Mom and Beer know how to get this baht from you, and Ball is your friend, so doesn't feel good about it.

    I'm probably way off base.... just thinking aloud.

    Thanks for the story so far.

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    GWM25 March 2010 at 06:32
    A comment about giving money. I have given money to my friend in the Philippines and watched him immediately give it to family. I challenged him about this and he said, "You make me a gift, so it is now mine." Good point but I was still upset. I think our sense of responsibility in the West so so much different. We just do not look at money and gifts as do our Asian friends.
    One other comment, why can't the Comments be posted directly after the your article? Very difficult to hunt them down...
    Cheers!!

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    Bkkdreamer25 March 2010 at 06:45
    GWM: I know how you feel. Once I raided my wardrobe to gave a poor Thai friend most of my T-shirts.

    I noticed he had hardly any clothes. He was also tall, so most of my clothes were able to fit him.

    The next day, he sent them by post to his mother in the provinces, so she could sell them to make money for the family. When I asked him why he did it, he said his mother's needs were greater than his own.

    Re comments...Blogger gives me the option of comments appearing in a pop-up box, which looks silly; having comments appear on a separate page; and what you see here, where comments appear under the original post.

    I think readers would rather have recourse to the post when leaving comments, which is why the comments section appears the way it does.

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  5. Bkkdreamer25 March 2010 at 09:02
    wwqvd: The phone has been switched off since the afternoon I lost it. Maybe the battery went dead; or perhaps the new owner instantly switched it off, to stop me making contact.

    No, I hadn't thought of sending a text message offering a reward, but the new owner could always call me if he thought he stood to make something from its return.

    By now, I am sure it has been sold to some second-hand phone shop, if it isn't in the hands of a new, unsuspecting owner.

    Silicon Farang: Thank you. The repression angle does get tiresome. Even if it true, so what?

    The argument doesn't take us anywhere...it just shows that I am fool for giving away money.

    Theoretically, if I found some bed partner rather than going without as I do at present, I wouldn't want to give money away to pretty young things like Ball, as I'd feel fulfilled.

    Recently I asked Ball how he felt about our friendship. I will bring you the response soon.

    Russ: I encourage reader comment, and delete them only reluctantly, as one comment often sets off another, and so on.

    I hope they are not taking advantage of me too. But I am ultimately the one who decides to hand over money. If I end up regretting my actions, I have only myself to blame.

    Anon: Thank you, and welcome.

    I have spoken to Mum about the B100 claim re petrol for the motorbike. I understood wrongly. Though they fill it up most days, and spend B100 on petrol at a time, the bike chews up only B60 of petrol a day, says Mum.

    Ball has told his mother not to accept money from me unless it's for the occasional beer, and Mum has done as her son wishes.

    She has never asked me for anything, though is always grateful when I do offer to meet small household expenses.

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    Anonymous25 March 2010 at 11:25
    BKK my 'rough' assessment of your situation filled your room with comments. If commenter Russ had not questioned it's disappearance, you would not have re-posted it, and the lively discussion that's ensued would not have taken place. I hope you can see the benefit of allowing and even encouraging discourse, even the discordant comments. All the comments to this post aren't about me, or what I wrote, or the tone and temper of my comment. And that's what I intended. I often attend meetings where no one speaks. To stimulate discussion I open my mouth and empty my mind. What I say isn't careless and it's relative to the subject, but I keep it raw enough to allow anyone's else's comment some room to follow what I say. That was my intention when I accused you of becoming a sublimating, co-dependent fostering, needlessly sexually self-frustrating farang. All of us commentors are closely following your story, and regardless of our individual interpretations of why and what is going on, I think we all wish you well.

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  6. Bkkdreamer25 March 2010 at 20:10
    Anon: Words are powerful things. You will rarely find me criticising people in such flowery terms on this blog, as I know I will only have to go back and change the text.

    Once or twice, I have referred to Ball's step-father - taxi-driver Lort, who refuses to work - in unflattering terms.

    In the heat of the moment, it felt right to say those things. However, when I come across the posts later, I find the criticisms look out of place, and in most cases delete them.

    For readers who weren't there, the criticisms can look over the top. Also, readers can make up their own minds based on factual evidence.

    'But for Mum, no one in Ball's household bothers talking to the man.'

    That factual observation says much more to the reader about Ball's stepfather than if I were to say he was a social leech, parasite, or whatever, even if, in the heat of the moment, I would love to call him those things.

    It suggests no one likes him, and most members of the family would rather he was not there.

    In the end, emotive criticisms, even if designed to provoke a reaction, are just not necessary.

    If you have an argument, then why not just make the thing, and readers can respond as they see fit.

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    Anonymous27 March 2010 at 20:32
    On the giving of gifts in Thailand, I have to agree with what GWM said... it's just a different culture. Two recent examples:
    1. A Thai friend of mine recently saved up 10,000 baht to give to his mother. Her washing machine was broken, and the money was to buy a new one. His mother immediately gave the money to the local temple. Now, his mother is complaining again that she doesn't have a washing machine, and my friend is saving money for one again...
    2. Last month I gave my old DVD player to a Thai friend. He gave it to his sister.
    What are you going to do... it's a different culture!

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    Bkkdreamer1 April 2010 at 05:46
    I would have been furious if I had given B10,000 to someone for something useful such as a washing machine, only for the recipient to give it to a temple.

    Anyone can give to neecy causes such as temples - but as I tell my Thai friends often, some needy causes are more deserving than others.

    As the person who worked for the money, I reserve the right to decide which needy cause should get it.

    I might support some local temple where I know the people who run it, but I won't put money in an envelope to support a temple I don't know.

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