Monday 31 May 2010

And we're back again

I stayed away from Ball's family for three days. His mother called every day, as she normally does. My manner was cool, which I thought in retrospect was unfair.

Mum called in mid-afternoon yesterday and asked me to drop in. I saw Mr Ball, who looked nervous, but gave me a bright smile.

I asked him if he wanted a drink, but he said he had just eaten ('No,' in Thai speak). That annoyed me even more, as I was trying to make the peace. I left as quickly as I had arrived.

An hour later I called his Mum to explain my sudden departure. I told her I was unhappy with the way he tossed aside the trousers I tried to buy for him the other day.

Within an hour she had sorted out her son, and asked me over again for that beer.

The poor kid sat so far away from me, close to his mother, that he was almost out of earshot. He was scared I would start criticising him. Mum also fixed the girlfriend problem, after I complained about the way Ball's girlfriend Jay is forever eavesdropping. When I arrived, someone had sent her upstairs to the bedroom.

I explained to Ball why I was upset. He said he didn't like the trousers because they were not his 'style'. As we know, teens only wear things in fashion. I laughed, because I did not consider the style factor when I asked him to try them.

I forgave him, of course. We talked about his girlfriend, who dislikes it when I turn up to see him. I asked Ball if it's because she sees me as a rival for his affections, or simply because I say bad things about her.

It wasn't the gay thing, he said (without actually uttering the word). It was all the bad things which Jay suspects I am saying about her.

'She dislikes you because you are so outspoken and blunt,' he said.

At one point, Jay stormed down the stairs and grabbed a carry bag with great drama. She refused to utter a word, even when he asked, but the message was: 'I am leaving!

I said nothing, as Ball has asked me not to talk to her any more, unless I have no choice.

He followed her meekly upstairs, and the pair talked for 10 minutes.

When he came down again, Ball looked weary and defeated.

I am not sure how to help, except to listen when Ball wants to unload.

I told him that I would carry on being blunt, as that is my farang way.

'You are not even 20, and you are already trapped,' I said.

He is a sensitive type. My job, I said, was to work with his Mum to make him strong and keep him out of the clutches of people who would do him harm.

After our three bottles of beer had finished, and I was about to go home, he asked me for another two bottles which he would imbibe alone.

He knew his girlfriend would pick fights with him after I had left, and wanted to keep going to blot out the experience.

I bought him one bottle...I think that's enough.

14 comments:

  1. 62 comments:

    Anonymous30 May 2010 at 21:00
    why don't you just stay away from the leeches they only want you for your dosh
    are you that blind to see that god wake up

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    Bkkdreamer31 May 2010 at 02:55
    I am not sure that's right. People do have some dignity...we can't assume they always act for financial motives.

    Mum pulled her son back into line, so we can get along again. 'Mum likes you,' said Ball, explaining why his mother wanted me back in their lives.

    Ball likes me around, too. But is it just the money? I doubt it.

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    Anonymous31 May 2010 at 07:58
    your regressing

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    Doug31 May 2010 at 08:53
    I check in here only occasionally now, for the pictures, because this soap opera with Ball and his family is boring. I am always amazed that you keep writing about these people. They are dysfunctional. Nice, but dysfunctional. That makes for interesting stories for a few days. Instead of meeting Ball you might have met his next-door neighbor and been writing about that dysfunctional family for the last several months. Same nonsense, different people. Has your life become so boring?

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    Anonymous31 May 2010 at 10:32
    You should stay away from Ball and his girlfriend. Period. Stop meddling in his love life and his life in general. He is only putting up with you in the hopes of some financial support or some free beer. What is so sickening and so very sad is that you and his mum probably think that this is OK. One more thing, stop turning the young man into an alcoholic by buying him drinks. What are your motives???? If you want to "give" Ball and his family money/food/things - give freely. Giving someone money does not give you the right to meddle in their lives. In your case, it is not even very much money ... You can barely take care of your boyfriend financially and emotionally and you want to take care of another whole family. Please lah ...... I am: A wealthy Asian from a neighbouring country who is supporting a Thai family and yes I am holier than thou.

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    Anonymous31 May 2010 at 11:47
    "I asked him if he wanted a drink, but he said he had just eaten ('No,' in Thai speak). That annoyed me even more..."

    Somebody just doesn't get it. It must be me, because I find giving alcohol to a budding alcoholic in an effort to endear oneself to him, utterly reprehensible. Oh wait! I bet it's because I don't understand the culture. Or, gosh, maybe I don't realize the integral part alcoholism plays in slum dwellers lives.

    What a self-serving bunch of crap.

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    Anonymous31 May 2010 at 14:14
    Doug, and Anon, and Anon, thank you for your posts.. because of what you've noted, I don't have to waste my time writing similar observations and giving out sound advice. Bkk and his slum family are so boring.. reading about them drains my energy, and makes responding to Bkk's posts a tiring and un-rewarding task.

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    JT31 May 2010 at 15:26
    I like this turn of events with Ball and his family for the simple fact that everyone's feeling are now out in the open.
    There is no way one can compare a Western Farang's lifestyles, beliefs and values to those of a Thai.
    It's easy for the naysayers, behind keyboards and monitors, to judge from afar with "Farang" values but it's whole different world trying to make a relationship work while teaching then what you're all about and learning what makes them tick. It appears there is a deeper respect building between you and the Ball clan.
    I think it's fascinating to read how you're navigating these waters.

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  2. Bkkdreamer31 May 2010 at 18:23
    Doug: What would you have me write about...some young man I met in a bar? I bet his story is just as sad or complicated, if we spent any time getting to know each other.

    Forgive me if I don't present the usual story of farang angst in the Land of Smiles...oh, the taxi driver ripped me off, the mamasan sent me packing, the missus has given away my pay to her sister in the provinces to treat her sick buffalo.

    I guess bad things don't happen to me enough.

    Anon 1: I know I am dealing with an American, or someone aping their strange speech habits, when a reader instructs me to do something - and adds the emphasiser, 'Period', as if I am not quite adult enough to have understood him the first time.

    Give freely, you say...what, the brown stuff as well? Maybe I should buy a crate of the stuff, leave it at his front door, and walk away as he destroys himself.

    Anon 2: I have never tried to justify the drinking by saying it's a slum thing.

    A few weeks ago, I made the point that some foreigners may not appreciate the extent to which young Thai men knock back the stuff; and the extent to which it is ever present in the lives of the young.

    Put simply for those of you who find it hard to understand, Thais drink a lot. On international surveys or tables of the world's heaviest drinkers, they rank up there with the heaviest.

    I was proposing we sit down for a couple of civilised beers while we clear the air.

    No doubt you would have me to take him some PC seaweed drink instead, while we sit down to 'negotiate favourable outcomes'. Get real, mate.

    Anon 3: If the stories are boring, then you know where the door is...please use it! For your information, most readers appear to like the stories...unique visits to this blog jumped by more than 100 last night, as they usually do whenver some confrontation or drama takes place between me and his family.

    JT: Thank you. Today I intend to talk to Ball about his drinking, as the problem cannot go on.

    I have drawn up a contract which I will ask him to sign, once everyone has had a look at it.

    The contract seeks to regulate his behaviour when he is taking the brown stuff. Ideally he will learn to self-regulate, but this should help in the meantime, by reminding him of what is expected.

    A question for the naysayers: Am I 'meddling' again, or is that only when I do something of which you moralisers don't approve?

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    Anonymous31 May 2010 at 20:26
    Why do you feel the need to insult Americans?

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    Doug31 May 2010 at 21:53
    BD: Your blog used to be so interesting. I would suggest only that you consider your earlier themes.

    At first your episodes with the slum family were somewhat interesting, enlightening and endearing. But now you're going around in circles playing the same games (and having the same games played on you) repeatedly.

    How many different ways can you describe the antics of an immature, alcoholic, uninspired, uneducated Thai boy who flirts for the attention of older men (both farang and Thai)?

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    Anonymous31 May 2010 at 22:48
    Ball doesn't keep his commitments to the employers he asks for work.. why would he keep a commitment to you ? And... who ?? expects what of Ball ? You ?? You're just the ' gay farang juice man' that thinks he knows how an irresponsible Thai teenager should live his life.

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  3. Anonymous31 May 2010 at 23:25
    I have to agree with Doug. Your blog used to be daily reading for me. I particularly liked your observations of popularThai culture (e.g. Academy Fantasia) and your comments on Thai attitudes to gays (which as you say provide an alternative to the usual sex themes- although I dont have a negative view regarding those).
    You are a very talented writer and social observer. Maybe its time for you to put that talent to a more creative use.
    Your interaction with Ball and his family seems to have clouded your judgement. I have also lived in Thailand for some time (but my language skills are no where good as yours). As much as I like Thai people and in particular the lack of social aggression (unless provoked)I believe personal loyalty is almost entirely restricted to family and to a lesser extent partners. I'm not surprised the mother wants you around - you are a possible insurance (i.e. emergency assistance) if anything goes wrong. She is the one who has to try and provide some sort of care for her extended family.
    Re. Ball- the novelty of having an older farng friend has probably worn of. Furthermore your constant nagging (however well intended)only makes him stressed.Its unfortunate about his alcohol use and that of many other Thais who drink too much. But nothing you do or say will make any difference.
    Your boyfriend seems very nice. You seem to have accepted long ago that you are not going to change him (i.e. make him get a job, spend more time out of the house etc). Thais for all there seeming passiveness and willingness to please, generally just end up doing what ever they want to do. Perhaps its something to do with Buddhism and Kharma.
    As I said I really believe you are very talented and despite your obvious intolerance for other views, or perhaps just plain stubornness, you should do something constructive with your talent

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    hendrikbkk1 June 2010 at 01:58
    What I don't understand about those readers who critize your (non)adventures and (still) challenge your intentions with Ball and his family, why they keep reading and posting nasty comments?
    For me, I like the slow moving, gentle waves of this blog. It is like Seinfeld, a show about nothing, but I have to read it and although the pace is slowing down, who cares?
    Why are readers so negative about a young guy who drinks a bit? They ever went to a club in Bangkok where almost everybody is high on e or ice? It is not that BKK buys him yaba or other stuff.

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    popeluzifer1 June 2010 at 02:43
    i like this blog and enjoy to read it on a daily base. A day with an update is frustrating. I enjoy to read about Ball and his slum family and your adventures with them. Readers who do not like it, nobody forces you to read it. Keep up the good work.

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  4. Bkkdreamer1 June 2010 at 02:58
    Doug: You're wrong.

    Anon: You're wrong, too.

    Anon: Yes, I am a possible form of emergency insurance for the mother. I don't know how much to make of that. I try not to get too worried. They coped before I arrived, and would carry on doing so if I left. His mother must know that too.

    I don't believe Ball is sick of me yet, though I do wonder sometimes why I am there if not just to kill boredom. At times of doubt, I remind myself of how rewarding it is to have a positive influence on someone''s life. I also enjoy playing with the kids.

    I don't dismiss readers' views out of hand. Most of the reaction to the Ball posts is negative, but I still respond to comments where readers have made an effort.

    Is this being intolerant? I think I have shown remarkable patience, considering that no one here has ever met the family.

    Re The 'old themes' of this blog...hardly anyone commented on the entertainment stories, unfortunately.

    These days, I'd rather write posts about the real lives of Thais I know, as they are more likely to elicit a reaction.

    Writing in isolation of reader response is an unpleasant experience.

    Hendrik: I don't know why the negative comments persist, either...perhaps because readers are torn over some of the issues raised in the posts.

    Popeluzifer: Thank you, and welcome to my lonely fan club.

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  5. Anonymous1 June 2010 at 03:49
    Hi Bkk
    I am also a fan of yours and agree with Popeluzifer that if readers do not like your updates then they are welcome (or unwelcome) and go elsewhere. At the end of the day this is your life and what you blog about. If everything was nice and rosey then what a boring blog this will be.

    However in recent blogs it does read that Ball & co is not really keen to see you and more often than not it does seem mum calls you as a source of alcohol.

    Keep blogging for I as one will continue to check in each day.

    Ommi xx

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    jok1 June 2010 at 03:56
    "I have drawn up a contract which I will ask him to sign, once everyone has had a look at it."

    dear bkk,
    please, i can't believe you believe ball, or any person for that matter, would abide by such a contract. look at all the broken agreements you've encountered. you must be some kind of a masochist, na.

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    Anonymous1 June 2010 at 08:33
    the young ones are tiring of your meddling ways...mums afraid of losing sugar uncle and puts pressure on ball...jay obviously doesnt like your meddling..she has a drinker for a boy friend and a gay farang who is smitten is buying him hard liquor..and asking she leave her house so you can talk private..no wonder your not in her favor

    now you want a contract???....your mind is clouded...for awhile i thought you put things in perspective then i wrote you have regressed..your feelins for them is clouding the reality of the big picture

    btw for what its worth;
    i have been critical about your involvement..i just dont trust this families intentions...i am not a moralist..i would be less critical if ball showed any improvement in his life or a sign that he could...i really dont moralize on age difference or gay or straight...its the character of these people and there choices

    again i feel you will get dissapointed and bored..the critics are giving you their perspective

    i actually feel you might be a good influence and friend and i dont think your a bad person at all...i just dont think you are going to succeed

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    Anonymous1 June 2010 at 09:47
    "I have drawn up a contract which I will ask him to sign, once everyone has had a look at it"

    please tell me this is a joke?

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  6. TAO1 June 2010 at 13:07
    Okay, I am American and I read your blog everyday...

    I liked Mum's Shop more than I do your current attraction to Ball's Family...but its your blog and its your life...

    Now, Ball has told you that his girlfriend is jealous of you...

    So, if you sit down and draft up a contract with Ball how long will it be before the girlfriend finds a way to force Ball to break the contract to prove his love for her?

    I think what you are creating is a situation where Ball is stuck in between you and his girlfriend.

    Of course his Mom likes you more...we all know that she sees the girlfriend as a drain on the family resources...

    The girlfriend probably doesn't give a hoot about Ball but he is the one that keeps her with a roof over her head...

    I would like to know how many times the girlfriend has told Ball "...if you were a real man you would not let that old white queer pamper you!"

    Think about it...you might want to change your approach...

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    Anonymous1 June 2010 at 14:03
    ... 'you would not let that old white queer pamper you!' that's a very harsh paraphrase TAO .. but probably accurate.

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    Bkkdreamer1 June 2010 at 20:55
    Omni, Jok: Sometimes I wonder if Mum is putting pressure on her son to keep the farang in a giving mood. I don't know.

    Regarding the contract, I did not ask him to sign the thing. I wrote one up, explained what it was, how it worked, and read the thing out to him. His mother and girlfriend were also present.

    He admitted later that he could have adhered to only a few of the six clauses.

    Jay and I are now on much better terms. The contract business followed a drama between Mr Ball, Jay and I which I did not write up on the blog. Relations were strained but have now improved.

    Tao: You are getting carried away. I believe Jay loves Ball. I do wonder what she makes of my buying him things.

    Once again, I try not to think about it. I won't do much of it for the next couple of weeks anyway, as I don't have the money.

    I ask myself constantly whether I still want to be there, how it looks for him, and how it looks for me.

    I have a quick answer for the last two questions: It doesn't look good for either of us. Youngsters in the neighbourhood ask him whether he has become the wife to a farang.

    Anyone from outside the home who saw us, and had a critical western frame of mind, would wonder what I was doing there, as everyone is so much younger than me.

    On the bad news front, the earliest Ball could resume work as a security guard with his old employer in Silom is at the end of this month. That means another 30 days rattling about at home.

    His girlfriend is considering applying for a job selling coffee at a shop outside the same building, but once again that job wouldn't start until the end of the month.

    I am not sure I can carry on with another month of daily visits to the family when this young couple appear to have put their lives on hold.

    I told Ball that if he wants to apply for work elsewhere (he is not keen on returning to work as a security guard), then this is the time to do it. But I wonder if he'll bother...probably not.

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  7. Anonymous1 June 2010 at 22:13
    "Youngsters in the neighbourhood ask him whether he has become the wife to a farang."

    And how do you think he feels about that?

    Mom is one hell of a survivor. If there is a hero in this story, it's definitely her. She may like you, but without question she sees you as a resource. Completely logical and fair.
    I would be most suprised if she did not presure Ball to at least tolerate, because thats about what it looks like from a distance, the queer farang.

    Does Ball have any genuine affection for you? That is very hard to glean from what you have written. But lets face it, he is taking crap from the neighbors and his girl friend about you, so you certainly have a liability quotient.

    I like the story far better than the reviews of Thai soap operas, movie stars, et al. Keep it real.

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    Bkkdreamer2 June 2010 at 07:10
    Anon: I imagine he's not too happy about it. Previously they accused him of trying to hoodwink me (to get money out of me), and that must have hurt too.

    His Mum is indeed a remarkable survivor. Ball says she likes me, but I don't know why.

    Partly it is the fact that I can help provide for her son. I will never know how much, though. Nor will I ever really know how Ball feels towards me.

    Ball is honest and straight-forward, says his Mum, and so he is. I am not sure if he could carry on the chirade if he disliked my being around, and if he tolerated my presence only because Mum told him to do so.

    I am sure he finds me annoying at times, just as he enjoys my company at others (usually over a drink). But once again, I will never know how how much he really wants me there, or why.

    At times I tell myself that because he has a girlfriend, there is little point in my being there. She can take care of his emotional and physical needs better than I can.

    Yet I believe that he likes having an older figure around, and that I perform a role of some value to him as he is growing up.

    I am a strange mix of friend to his Mum, and drinking partner/uncle to him.

    When we go out to the supermarket, we look like an ordinary family.

    Ball and Jay play together like brother and sister - chasing each other about, hitting each other in fun.

    It is not unusual for our roles in families to merge. To the outsider, as I chat with Mum, I might look like her partner. We are the same age after all.

    Is performing a father-like or uncle-like role enough? Usually it is.

    However, I also have to think about the needs of Ball and his girlfriend.

    Is my presence diminishing his standing in the neighbourhood? Yes. Would the girlfriend, on balance, rather I was not there? Probably.

    These are the concerns of kids rather than adults. How much importance to attach to them? If I give them little weight, am I merely being selfish?

    I love being part of their family, and would find it hard to withdraw. They have given me some of the happiest - and most heartaching - times in the 10 years I have been here.

    Should I stay? I don't know. I worry about it every day, and wish I could find the answer.

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  8. Bkkdreamer2 June 2010 at 17:44
    Thank you...a grain of sense. I thought we had moved beyond the 'If you dont get into his pants, perhaps you'll get bored and leave' line by now. It's crass, childish and ugly.

    You said:

    'this isnt about sex..it would be too awkward now that your close to the whole family'

    Exactly! If I was to whip him upstairs for a quick one, it's possible that no one else would bat a hair. Thais are a tolerant lot, after all.

    However, Ball is a child, and I would like him to grow up normally - not bent and deformed by some early sexual experience with a man more than twice his age.

    If such an encounter was to happen before he was ready, or if he didn't want it, I can just imagine what he'd think: 'He pretended to befriend me for six months, when really all he wanted was my body.'

    Having said all that, I am not sure I can do much more to help him for now.

    I haven't written about it much here, but I believe the episode with the contract will make a difference to his imbibing habits.

    I feel I have finally done something to address his drinking problem.

    His mother and his girlfriend were present when I read out the contract, and hopefully will remind him in future when he is going astray.

    I want Ball to spend as much time as he can with the girlfriend, not with me. They are lovers and partners, even if they are just kids. I have to give them time to be together and to be themselves.

    Where Ball and I are concerned, I don't think I want to do much more with the uncle or fatherly role, where I pull him up after some drama, and he listens and reflects on how he might change his ways.

    I want to concentrate more on us being just friends, as we spend most of our time in that mode anyway.

    But as friends, I have to know my place. I have a solid relationship with my boyfriend, so have no good reason to spend half my life in the slum.

    I don't want to be a pain in the butt. I do want him to grow up naturally, and I suspect that's best achieved, for the most part, if I am not there.

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    Anonymous2 June 2010 at 23:12
    Contract will mean nothing to the family.
    The more you give the more they will want.
    Thais only want your money. They don't care
    crap about farangs and mostly dislike them.
    Thais lie naturally as is corruption everywhere. Honesty and Trust: Forget it.

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    Anonymous2 June 2010 at 23:57
    It seems to me that if you completely stopped buying Ball alcoholic drinks.. his 'imbibing habits' might become less destructive. Is this simple logic wasted on you Bkk ?

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  9. Anonymous3 June 2010 at 01:38
    the dreamer needs to wake up and smell the coffee

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    Anonymous3 June 2010 at 05:47
    Bkk I do really like these posts that seem to spark a storm of comments some good points some bad points and some irrational thoughts at times,
    story aside I love the way you seem to take it in your stride and answer almost every point made in the comments!
    Just wanted to say that as these last few days of comments have been hugely entertaining. I am not sure if that is the right word to use but I am the anon who used the word 'enabler' a week ago and I still cant decide on the validity of me using that word.
    Lee.

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    Ripley013 June 2010 at 06:56
    BKK, A few of your readers may have forgotten what it is like to be in their 20s.
    I used to drink heavy at that age, I did stupid things, partly through boredom. Call it life in the suburbs. Admittedly I earnt money to finance these habits. My mum would encourage my friends she liked and discourage the ones she didn't. After all she worried over me especially while I lived at home.

    Never ever give up on this family (unless you yourself wants to)
    Dont play games, be honest and be consistant.
    While mom makes you feel welcome & invites you in, as keeper, it is all that really matters.
    What is so wrong with everyone stratching each other's backs? And Ball and Jay are hardly in a position to dicate terms in the household. Ball is happy to accept your 'gifts' so why not?

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    Bkkdreamer3 June 2010 at 07:06
    Anon:

    You said:

    'It seems to me that if you completely stopped buying Ball alcoholic drinks.. his 'imbibing habits' might become less destructive. Is this simple logic wasted on you Bkk?'

    No, I did manage to get that, thanks. It's an interest we have in common.

    However, he's too young to know how to use the brown stuff wisely, which is why I wanted to remind him of what's expected of him when he indulges.

    Some foreign readers will think I am cheeky. They imagine I marched around there with a contract and started laying down the law. It weasn't like that.

    I said that if we drink together - or even if his mother shells out when I am not there, and I have nothing to do with it - he should know what is expected of him.

    For example, he won't pick fights with the girlfiend, won't ask for money to carry on after we have finished, and will agree to confine himself to home until bedtime.

    But you make the point that perhaps I should stop buying it for him altogether. If I wasn't buying the stuff, surely the problem would go away?

    He would drink less if I wasn't there, but possibly not a huge amount less.

    Mum wants her son to stick to home when he's taking the brown stuff, because she knows just how much he could knock back if he was taking it in an uncontrolled environment.

    If she gives him money, one of the conditions is that he stays indoors. In most cases, he is happy to agree.

    This is why I am a useful friend. I help ensure he stays at home too.

    Mum wants to minimise the danger by imposing controls. Girlfriend Jay would rather he stops knocking it back altogether, but Mum disagrees with that approach.

    Outsiders might argue that she is too soft on her son. Some Readers of this blog might go further and claim his own mother is an 'enabler'.

    I say: Take it up with her!

    I have bought him brown stuff simply so I can see him...true. But I also wanted to make him happy.

    I love seeing him with the girlfriend and the toddlers...just I love being in a bustling family environment.

    We can't turn up with nothing when we visit people's homes, but it's wrong to assume that the only thing I contribute is booze.

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  10. Bkkdreamer3 June 2010 at 07:16
    Lee:

    You said:

    'story aside I love the way you seem to take it in your stride and answer almost every point made in the comments!'

    Thank you. I try to respond to readers who have made an effort. I ignore the rest, or those whose comments are just beyond the pale.

    On the question of whether I am 'enabling' his bad habit, I know it was there before...Ball says he started knocking it back about a year ago. However, I do help ensure it carries on, albeit in a controlled environment.

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    Bkkdreamer3 June 2010 at 07:45
    Ripley01:

    Some do seem to have forgotten their youth, yes.
    Ball knocks it back, but perhaps no more than many young ones his age.

    But I suspect many are more concerned about what I am doing there, and particularly whether I am exploiting his fondness for the stuff to secure a berth next to him on his living room floor every couple of days.

    You said:

    'While mom makes you feel welcome & invites you in, as keeper, it is all that really matters.'

    I suppose this is true, although I try to consider his needs as well, and ultimately what I want too.

    I am not sure how much he wants me there, except as a supplier of brown stuff. I wish I knew.

    Now am I sure what I am accomplishing. I love being with him, and being part of his family. The two toddlers are terrific fun.

    However, I find his directionless life depressing, and wish he would do something about it.

    As much as I like him, I believe he could do so much better, if only he felt motivated.

    For the time being, however, he is a moody teen trying to do his best coping with the demands of his mother and girlfriend.

    If I had something else to do during the day, I would probabloy spend less time over there. We are becoming each other's bad habit.

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    Anonymous3 June 2010 at 08:44
    Bkk.. you have become part of the problem.. I wrote that you should stop buying Ball alcoholic drinks.. You replied that.. 'he's too young..' It's not about Ball.. and his age has nothing to do with what you do. It's about you. Stop buying him beer or giving him money for ya dong.. and he will drink less.. which is what you say you want. So stop. Just stop buying him alcohol.

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    Anonymous3 June 2010 at 08:48
    "if you cant change the situation...change your atttitude toward it"

    enjoy the family, toddlers, ball and jay etc...stop getting deppressed on their ways...hope for change to the better encourage it...but dont obseess with it or try to finance it and you might not get dissapointed

    consider you are doing your best now its their turn to digest your advice and contract

    try not to be dissapointed you obviously have done some good...now when they make their choices..maybe your advice will help...but then let go

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  11. Bkkdreamer3 June 2010 at 08:54
    An easier solution is just to stop visiting, which a friend of mine has suggested I do. He says my relationship with this family is tying me in knots.

    I didn't say he should stop drinking. His problem is not that serious.

    Moralisers and prudes ban things (I am not suggesting you are one of those). It's the easy option.

    Encouraging someone to take responsibility for his behaviour and people around him is much harder.

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    Joyce Lau3 June 2010 at 11:08
    41 comments! I should adopt a slum family, if it gets me this many hits. :)

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    Anonymous3 June 2010 at 14:13
    If Ball drinks and misses work the next day .. his problem is serious. That's what alcoholics do. They're slackers. They're inconsistent and unreliable. Quit buying him beer and giving him money for ya dong. And if you quit buying him food and clothes and toiletries.. and he'll have to hold onto a job.. and work for what he needs. You both need to grow up and be responsible.

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    Bkkdreamer3 June 2010 at 16:36
    Joyce: Yes, Joycey, but look at how much trouble I have to get them!

    Anon: I will not be told by someone I don't know to 'grow up'. How do you know his problem is serious?

    He's a teenager, for goodness sake. Maybe he's just irresponsible - ever thought of that?

    And if I stop spending - what, B200 a week at the most - on his needs, he'll get a job? Once again, you're being fanciful.

    As it happens, I have decided to stop buying him things, and giving money to his mother to buy him things, as it is my money, and I don't see why I should give it away. Another reason is that that with rare exceptions, he doesn't
    seem to want my help anyway.

    It is so easy for you moralising poseurs to jump in and declare, 'Oh, he's an alkie' ...just as you jumped to the conclusion that all I wanted from this young man was to get him into bed.

    Remember that one? I have shown here time and time again that my relationship with this family goes way beyond the tacky motives some of you would infer, so much so that the 'You just want your way with him' argument has all but disappeared.

    Why don't you try hopping off your moraliser's couch for a change? It's getting old.

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    Bkkdreamer3 June 2010 at 16:50
    Small correction...

    Above, I wrote the following:

    'Now am I sure what I am accomplishing. I love being with him, and being part of his family. The two toddlers are terrific fun.'

    Please make the 'Now' a simple 'Nor'. I have only just noticed the typo, but can't go back to correct it.

    I am never sure what I am accomplishing. That applies now just as much as it did in the past.

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  12. Anonymous3 June 2010 at 18:36
    Lust motivated you to ingratiate yourself to Ball and his family.. forgetting about those late-night leg-rubs ? It's true Ball has never 'played' you.. which probably speaks to his honor.. and the fact is that it was your decision to push yourself and your money onto this family as a way to gain entry into their daily lives. No one in that family calls you.. or cares if you drop by.. but Mum.

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    Bkkdreamer3 June 2010 at 18:56
    Ooh...that dread word, lust!

    As if that was unheard of in the Land of Smiles. You sound like an idiot.

    Compassion motivated me, you twit. My first post, after meeting Mr Ball at carer R's ya dong stand, was a sad, speculative one about his awful slum surroundings, which at the time I hadn't seen.

    I stood at the head of the alleyway where I knew he lived, and told myself that I hoped he was alright. Want me to provide the link?

    I agree that feeling sorry for people is not the best of reasons for getting to know them.
    And in the months since, we have moved beyond all that nonsense anyway, as his family managed to give me a place to belong in what can still feel like a foreign land.

    I pushed myself on them? Well, of course I did. I was motivated purely by lust? Goes without saying. I have nothing but ill intentions? Just call me a typical farang predator - out with a new guy every night.

    Really, these tired, tacky arguments you throw up time and time again say more about you, and your own jaundiced experience of this place, than they ever will about me.

    Thais have given you a bad time, have they?

    Poor you. Maybe you're just poorly bred.

    PS: No one cares if I drop by except Mum, you say...so what does that make her?

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    hendrikbkk3 June 2010 at 19:17
    I am getting tired of those readers who accuse you over and over to be a sex driven farang, paying money to Ball and his family to get your way with him and along the way, make him a addict to the brown stuff.
    Have these people ever been to Thailand and been to the gay area? It is easier to get sex then to get a taxi, for goodness sake. Maybe it is time to delete those comments, it only eats up your time and we know their selfrightenous by now. Just leave them and go back to your life, that is the reason we like your stories after all, not to read you getting accused.

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    Anonymous3 June 2010 at 19:19
    .. that makes Mum an entrepreneur.. and you're a business opportunity. And Bkk .. since so far.. you've hardly 'copped a feel' of Ball's balls.. you're hardly a sexual predator.. you're more like a light-touch 'nancy' uncle who will pick up the tab when Mum tells him to come.

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    Bkkdreamer3 June 2010 at 19:24
    Hendrikbkk: 'I came, I saw', the saying goes.

    I suspect these idiots came, but never saw a thing.

    If someone has made an effort, I am reluctant to delete a comment. If It looks as if it is motivated purely by spite, I might have second thoughts.

    Anon: A nancy uncle? God knows where you people get these weird ideas. In any event, you're full of it.

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  13. Anonymous4 June 2010 at 15:17
    hendrikbkk.. it's when Bkk stopped deleting comments that his blog became more interesting. comments = energy = interesting .. hendrik = boring !

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    Hendrikbkk4 June 2010 at 18:54
    Anon.... If you think reading comments bkk is not getting into Balls pants, making him an alcoholic, over and over is interesting, I am glad you find me boring.

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    AussieInBkk5 June 2010 at 06:17
    Hi BKK.
    I am a new arrival to your blog and I have spent the last 24 hours enthralled to read your account of your experiences with Ball and his family. Thank you for providing insight into a a life experience that many of us would not otherwise have the chance to experience or understand.

    I have only lived in Thailand for 1 year. Therefore I do not have the depth of experience that you have, but your story does strike a chord with my own initial experiences with Thai men. Thankfully I met a wonderful partner 6 months ago and since then I have not had to deal with the money boys and their manipulative behaviour. Of course I am not saying that your relationship with Ball is like that, just that some underpriveledged Thai people may have multiple agendas for their engagement with Farang.

    I am fascinated to continue hearing your story and I hope that Ball, his family and girlfriend, your boyfriend and yourself all come out of this with a positive impact on your lives.

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    Bkkdreamer5 June 2010 at 06:55
    AussieinBkk: Thank you, and welcome.

    I have been reading the Ball back posts myself, as readers probably want to know what I intend to do next.

    I wouldn't worry too much about whether under-privileged Thais have designs on unsuspecting farang.

    If you have been here only one year, you can afford to make a few mistakes. They are part of the learning process and help shape our attitude to this place.

    As a relative newcomer, you can afford lose a bit of money, and have your heart broken a few times - and enter a few questionable relationships with foreigners, too, for that matter.

    You will probably emerge wiser and better for them.

    Take a few risks, and stop listening to those critical foreigners propping up the bar. Who cares what they think? This is your Thai experience, not theirs, and Thais, rather than foreigners, should make up the biggest part of it.

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    Anonymous6 June 2010 at 08:20
    let us know u r ok....maiyu hasnt poison u in a jealous rage

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    Bkkdreamer6 June 2010 at 08:33
    No jealous rage, thank you. I appear to be losing interest in Ball's family, and don't know what else to write about it.

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    Doug6 June 2010 at 11:00
    BD: I apologize for my "in his pants" comment. It was offensive and presumptuous. But I do wonder why you are interested in spending so much time with Ball and his family. I don't doubt they are kind people. There are many kind people in Bangkok. Why spend so much time with an alcoholic teenager with a mother who seems not to mind her teenage son is alcoholic and encourages the farang who buys him alcohol?

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    Doug6 June 2010 at 11:13
    Well I've gone and read through the many comments of people defending you against accusations of lust because, as everyone knows, it's so easy to get sex in Silom.

    They apparently haven't learned the unavoidable truth: What we can't have, we can't resist.

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    Anonymous6 June 2010 at 12:43
    doug.. no one is accusing Bkk.. he has continually written that it was his fascination and lust for beautiful Ball that motivated him to befriend the slum family.

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    Bkkdreamer6 June 2010 at 16:17
    Doug: I didn't know I had so many readers defending me against accusations of lust, but thank you.

    Anon: I didn't know I had written 'continually' that my fascination for beautiful Ball motivated me to befriend his family, but thank you.

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  14. Anonymous6 June 2010 at 17:00
    mr doug...bkk isnt blind he can see youthful beauty...but it isnt "What we cant have...."...after developing a family relationship it is different than hoping one day he can get his way....mr doug too much time and energy is put in a different direction

    if bkk wanted just to get in his pants he would have probably done it by now..i think bkk is smart enough and resourceful enough to figure out a way of achieving that goal

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    Bkkdreamer7 June 2010 at 02:08
    Anon: Thank you. You're right, it was about more than just Ball.

    Some of my dimmer-witted readers refuse to acknowledge the obvious...but never mind.

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