Monday, 13 July 2009

Friendship in the Land of Smiles


An anonymous poster asks whether I have any good friends who are Thais.

‘I have talked to other expats, [and ] besides their BF, they don't end up with any Thai friends because of the wide differences [between Thais and foreigners],’ he wrote in the shriek box.

I don’t have close Thai male friends in the Western sense. I don't invite anyone around to my place. I have no friends with whom I go out for meals. No one asks me to share his tales of woe or joy about girlfriend/work/family.

A woman from Esan runs a outdoors food place close to my condo. I have started asking her about her family (she has a teenage son, and a husband), and she has asked a few questions about me (‘How much is your rent?’).

I don’t know what lies in her sinews, so I wouldn't yet regard her a friend.

But where Westerners tend to be reserved until we get to know each other, Thais are more relaxed.

We can talk to a Thai, even a virtual stranger, about anything. It creates an illusion of family-style warmth and familiarity, which is similar.

In my first years here, I hoped fondly that the Thais I met socially would call me regularly, or invite me out with their friends or meet their family.

Experience put paid to that hope. The only people who tended to call were people who wanted something.

The others knew that if I wanted to see them, I could find them at our usual drinking place, or wherever else it was that we met.

These were young men from the provinces for whom Bangkok was not their main home, but the place they came to study or find work.

We might share a meal together at an eatery down the way, or go back to their place – usually a rented hole in a rundown apartment – to drink at 3 in the morning.

But I didn't want too much of that, as I am twice their age. I could have made more of their offer of friendship if I wanted, but I wasn’t interested.

Their closest friends tended to be Thais they grew up with in the same village, or with whom they went to the same school.

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My condo is popular with Thai families. Here, I can watch parents interacting with their children.

Yesterday, I saw a Mum talking to her son, who had just finished a tae kwon do class held at my condo. They were talking about his school exams.

I would have more in common with Thais of family-raising age than my old drinking friends, who were in their early 20s.

I don't know any Thai families at my condo yet.

I would be the 'ajarn' (teacher) rather than a family friend, as these are middle-class people, unlike the casual, working-class Esan folks I knew in the past.

We could get close, but not so much that I intrude in their space, as families are strange entities, and for the most part best left to themselves.

It’s too simplistic to say that we fail to bond because of our cultural differences, though those play a part.

Age differences are also important, as are differences in education and family background; all the usual things, in fact, which bind (or separate) people in the West.

2 comments:

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    Was Once12 July 2009 at 20:48
    I have friends at home from all over Asia, and not born in the US, but I fear moving here I, too would have to search out western friends which would only further isolate me from Thai's.

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    Wilko12 July 2009 at 23:47
    Friends are so important, l think. l couldn't survive without my mates around me though l do need my own space too.
    Do you think you would be more sociable if you didn't have a bf for company?

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    Bkkdreamer12 July 2009 at 23:56
    That's a good question, Wilko. I would have to be more sociable if I didn't have the BF here.

    But if I was to lose him suddenly, I am not sure what the best solution would be.

    Going back home seems a forlorn choice...few jobs, and big hairy farang for company, rather than dainty, pretty Thais (male and female).

    I would probably have to leave this condo, as it is a family place rather than a place for meeting people, and move somewhere more sociable.

    Or maybe I would return to the West - over there, at least I would be close to family and friends.

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    Kevo3313 July 2009 at 16:51
    "rather than dainty, pretty Thais"
    My bf must be an exception- he's actually kinda beefy for an Asian :D

    I hope you never have to "lose him suddenly" Anuchit and I are going through a very time right now as we just lost his Father on Wednesday. I cant even imagine how he feels :(

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  2. Anonymous13 July 2009 at 19:10
    I have found my Thai friends to be very sociable with other Thais, and have usually been introduced quite quickly to their various friends- most normal Thais are socialised to want to be in groups almost constantly.

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    falang baa14 July 2009 at 14:54
    I was beginning to form a real friendship with a poor Thai family who ran one of those eateries / bars / karaoke joints that you are so familiar with, but it required the presence of the owner’s cousin, who had a real job of her own, or my sleep-in translator, for us to communicate effectively.

    Their 12-year-old daughter spoke some broken English courtesy of the Thai school system but was a bit standoffish as she was just entering puberty. Their 3-year-old boy, however, took a shine to me almost instantly and would climb all over me even when I was trying to eat.

    One day the “BF” Joe and I awoke to find we had nothing clean to wear. He immediately found one of the maids at the Hotel Trocadero who would do our laundry – a cockroach-infested hell-hole full of salesmen and traders from all over the 3rd world who gave us some of the dirtiest looks I’ve ever experienced. But she couldn’t promise anything better than a 24-hour turnaround. I found that unacceptable. But being a resourceful lad, I had already found a coin-operated laundromat hard by my friend’s eatery. While we waited for our clothing to wash and dry, we were feeding our bellies at Kong’s place while Joe did his best karaoke versions of Tai Oratai’s songs. Also present was a richer-looking customer who offered me the use of his large car and a driver for an entire day for 2500 baht. It was probably too much, but at this point I was advised by BF Joe that it was actually a pretty good deal as it included all incidental expenses such as tolls, gasoline, tips, etc.

    Kong had been listening to all the negotiations and asked if he and his family could tag along. Without hesitation I answered, “Yes!” I was expected to cover any of the “major” expenses, of course, but any souvenirs or snacks that the family wanted and would share, they paid for themselves

    The following day was a Saturday and he shut the business down for the entire day in honor of the outing. The route was more or less pre-planned. We would visit the floating market at Khlong Damnoen Saduak (คลองดำเนินสะดวก) (being from southern Isaan they had never seen such a place), lazily proceeded to a Temple of some significance, although I’ve forgetten the name, and headed for the coast at Don Hoi Lot (ดอนหอยหลอด) to try our hands at digging for the razor clams known by their scientific name as Solen regularis, and which were the cause of my one-and-only case of “Bangkok Belly.”

    The real point of all this introductory verbiage is that after we stopped at a large wholesale market on the outskirts of Bangkok for them to buy provisions for the following week, we arrived back at their home / barroom.

    The wife whipped up a quick meal for us and then the unimaginable happened: Joe and I were invited to spend the night sharing the entire family’s one and only sleeping mat on the floor of the bar in a more or less “spooning” position (!) – or family-style as Joe called it.

    A few days later it was HM the King’s official celebration of the 60th anniversary of his ascension to the throne. That same family spent some of their meager funds to buy me a yellow shirt with the royal emblem on it so that I could join in the celebrations properly attired. (So I guess that makes me a “yellow-shirt.”) {{grinn}}

    I have never, in all my travels, met with such trust, courtesy, and (yes) friendship. So yes, Virginia, although there may be no Santa Claus, it is possible for a farang to develop a friendship with a Thai family.

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