Monday, 6 July 2009

The strident coming-out brigade


I'm not anti-gay; just pro-family...let’s put it like that, shall we?

But where everyone else is concerned, oh, yes - come out! Regular readers of this blog (well, most of those who have contributed, anyway) are in no doubt that telling our families is the best answer.

We owe it to our parents and ourselves to tell them what we are really like, they say. Otherwise, we lead worthless lives of deception.

The debate on whether gays should tell their parents about their 'true' selves started inadvertently, in response to Saturday's post.

I wrote mainly about symphony orchestras, but also mentioned the plight of a young Malaysian blogger who has told his parents he is gay, and whose Dad won't accept his declaration.

In this pro coming-out message left in response, here is reader Anon:

'Without this very important knowledge of who you are, the entire family is dealing with you on false pretenses (and you with them). There may be surface calm and serenity, but it is dishonest and not real; ie, it is not the real you who is a member of the family but a facade.'

Strong words! So if I have yet to come out, and regard myself as at least part-gay, I am duping my parents? I am wasting our precious time together as I put across a fake image of myself, merely to gain their acceptance?

Life would be nice if it were so simple. Maybe for the proselytising come-out brigade, it is.

Never mind that a gay man may no longer be a teen craving anyone's acceptance. Or that his relationship with his family may have covered many obstacles and joyous moments even in the absence of such a declaration. They might be happy with things the way they are.

The pro-openness movement says they can't possibly enjoy a meaningful relationship - no matter what else has happened, no matter what the age gap between offspring and parent, or each other's expectations of how parents and their children should behave.

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We just have to get the message out there at whatever cost, rub it in their faces, if necessary, to proudly proclaim the real us.

Sometimes the pro-openness message sounds dominant and assertive. 'Stop the lying, liberate yourself and your parents!'

At other times, it sounds oddly subjugated and timid, as if gays do not have the right to expect they will be accepted.

'NEVER despair. ALWAYS hope. GIVE love.'

Forgive me, but I don't see why we should allow ourselves to be brow-beaten by the 'come out' mafia, whether in assertive or submissive mode. No one solution will work for everyone.

Yet if I buck the trend and decline to tell my parents, will I pay a price?

'By delay[ing], you remove the opportunity to build a real relationship, which takes time and good will on both sides. The longer the 'imaginary' relationship persists, the harder it will be to overcome it,' says another reader.

Really? Parents are not as feeble as this argument suggests. They manage to cope with any manner of crises which their children present for their attention: unwanted pregnancies, drugs, serious illness.

Is the 'I am gay' declaration so earth-shatteringly important?

This reader, meanwhile, sounds like a politician stumping for election:

'Here is my stance - As a gay man / lesbian ... it is YOUR responsibility to come out and live out. Not only for your own well-being but the well-being of future generations of GLBT people.

'The reason so many parents (and cultures and societies) still (amazingly) have problems with GLBT people is BECAUSE we are ALL NOT OUT.'

Permit me to offer an opinion on behalf of the hapless minority who have yet to liberate their true selves, and discover the glory of asserting their gayness:

We are all not you. Nor do we have to care how beautiful your life has become since you confronted your parents with the news that you are not the man they might have thought you were.

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Many gays seem determined to foist the news on their parents no matter what.

They want to meet their own needs. What their parents think, or their siblings, friends, employees and so on, counts for much less.

These things should be negotiated and managed over time, if they are raised at all.

Questions for the strident pro-outers:

Other members of the family should be considered. If enough of them disagree, would you drop your insistence on being gay - or is it a non-negotiable stance?

Is being gay a non-negotiable part of you, for that matter? How much of you has to be gay before you reach the point where you simply must tell - 50%? 70?

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All of us have family responsibilities, roles which we are expected to play which have a value of their own, both to us and other members of the family with whom we interact.

As an uncle, for example, I would want to consult my brothers and sisters about what approach they would like me to take, as they have children who one day will be old enough to understand what being gay means.

Another challenge for the tub-thumping pro-gay brigade:

'It is not just about you - it something which affects everyone. So, the question is not just whether you are up to it - more importantly, are they?'

PS: I am ware that not everyone will agree, especially gay readers who have come out and liken the experience to the second coming of the Lord. You are entitled to your view, as am I.

4 comments:

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    Lino in NYC where religion is finally dying5 July 2009 at 21:13
    That boy has definite culinary potential, all he needs is someone to channel his abilities and help him scale them to commercial level.

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    I have a personal take on the dangers of "coming out".

    Most of my friends here in NYC are from Latin America: Mexico-El Salvidor- Guatemala.

    From each of these very Catholic countries I have friends who were either disowned by one, or both parents..or thrown out of their homes when they revealed their sexuality.

    One friend, an up and coming choreographer from Mexico was cast out by his parents in their home village. He eventually made his way to New York and we met on a production where he got his first -major- (Broadway) break.

    Hector was naturally talented but left home way too soon and became exploited early in his arrival in NYC doing gay porn to pay his way. This period in his life was almost over when we met..but it was too late. Just as he was making his name, he developed clinical aids and died in summer 1988.

    Had his family and culture been more accepting, he might have waited a few more years and had some information before coming to this city.

    A current Mex friend has been disowned by his Father and also cast out from his home in San Diego (CA). He works as a waiter in one of my locations and we have become close. I have somehow been able to get him away from the drugs and casual sex culture so prevalent here but this is something that a supportive family should have done.

    Instead they kicked a very decent, sweet and beautiful person out of their lives because -one- aspect of his being was at-odds with their damn religion.

    Your sexuality is no one's business but your own. If your culture is dominated by some stinking religion, you can ruin your life by "coming out".

    Lino

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    Was Once5 July 2009 at 21:54
    I agree that coming out is critical for spiritual and emotional growth and I would NOT be a partner with someone who is not "out." But that is already a done deal. Looking at my past, and the decisions I had to face to be who I am today necessitated me coming out at 18. I am so glad I did back then, even still now because it falls into place if you want truth and honesty.

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    ironbark5 July 2009 at 21:59
    I totally agree. There is no universal rule that has to apply to all people. What is right for one person may not be right for another. I am one of the people that is "out" to family and close friends and it has been a positive experience but I do not judge or criticise those that chose to remain closed because every family and circumstance is different.

    I have at least two close friends who were rejected by their families when they revealed their sexuality and are now are suffering without that family support.

    I know some will try to argue that therefore the family is not worthy of affection. That attitude displays an ignorance about the complex attachments that bind family members which can still be strong in total even though some bonds may be somewhat frayed.

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  2. Wilko5 July 2009 at 23:23
    Oh, yummy....Pink. l love pink.
    Getting those to work in one piece is an art in itself! ;)

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    Bkkdreamer5 July 2009 at 23:46
    Lino:

    'If your culture is dominated by some stinking religion, you can ruin your life by "coming out". '

    Well put. Some western readers assume their way is the only way.


    Ironbark:

    'I know some will try to argue that therefore the family is not worthy of affection/ complex attachments that bind family members can still be strong in total even though some bonds may be somewhat frayed.'

    Only an idiot would throw away the ties to his family (assuming they are a reasonable bunch) simply for the sake of declaring he was gay.

    Gays are lonely enough as it is without cutting family out of their lives as well.

    Wilko: I love pink too. It is a superb colour.

    The cupcakes look hard, but Maiyuu enjoyed putting on the icing most of all (he used a squeeze bag, and as I write has gone out to buy some more nozzles for it) - so perhaps that part wasn't too difficult.

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    Anonymous6 July 2009 at 00:27
    You certainly do take recommendations to come out very personally, defensively, and stridently yourself. Some people regard it in a political light (and it does have those elements), but ultimately it is an act of love and strength, because you are declaring something real about yourself and revealing yourself to your family, the group that (in theory) is supposed to know and love you above all others. It is a risk because not all persons can handle truth, but in the end it is a reaching out to people and a mutual facing of reality.

    Of course, if you really do feel somehow that gayness is negotiable, and not something that is inalterably part of your real identity, despite a lifetime of being gay, then I suppose you might have problems telling your family. Certainly one should be fairly secure in his self-knowledge before he makes the attempt.

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    Anonymous6 July 2009 at 00:46
    Reply to Lino: As I previously posted, there are risks to coming out. If possible, one should wait until one has moved out and is more or less independent (as I did). Then the family can take it or leave it.

    Reply to BKKD:
    Only a strident idiot with incredibly low self-esteem and few other decent persons in his life would want to involve people who would throw them out in the main part of their adult life if he had any choice in the matter!

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    aaronng886 July 2009 at 01:06
    i think coming out is a very individual event. to some, it may be easier, to some it may seem impossible. to me, i feel the relationship between the parent and child should have a common understanding first. like for me, my parents and i are really close (to a point i call them or vice versa every other day and just gossip) so i would say, coming out is easier AND harder.

    Easier cuz they're like friends and they would probably understand and accept better.

    Harder cuz you dont wanna hurt the people closest to you. and there's that fear that you may lose their initial non-judmental love.

    but i guess, like u said, the earlier u come out, gives u more chance to bond with ur parents. and i of course wish everyone all the luck in the world =p

    p/s: pink cupcakes? ahahha cutes!

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  3. Orn6 July 2009 at 04:00
    I love the cupcakes too..but maybe tell Maiyuu to go easy on the white..it looks great pink...too much white kind of ruins it a bit...

    As for the ins and outs about sexuality.Well I'm Thai and I can tell you that most of the time most Thais find it hard to tell their parents..that's why most of them don't..and never will...surprisingly huh..considering there's so many gays in thailand.

    Anyways, it's best to do whatever suits your situation..and only you could be the judge of that..

    Sometimes by neglecting to tell your family something is not that big a deal..everyone has a personal secret that they don't share with their families..and sometimes the reason for that could simply be because they probably don't want to know..

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    Was Once6 July 2009 at 04:41
    If your culture is dominated by living with mom and dad at age 30, you can ruin your life by "coming out" thus biting the hand that feeds you, too!

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    Ray6 July 2009 at 04:44
    The decision to "come out" is entirely up to the individual and their own situation. It has nothing to do with some misguided sould desire for everyone to come out just so he can stick his figer up at the world and say - see I told you there were a lot of us.

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    Bkkdreamer6 July 2009 at 05:41
    Anon:

    'You certainly do take recommendations to come out very personally, defensively, and stridently yourself.'

    Damn right. I get sick of these people banging me over the head with their pro-out religion.

    'if you really do feel somehow that gayness is negotiable...then I suppose you might have problems telling your family. Certainly one should be fairly secure in his self-knowledge...'

    You can be secure in your self-knowledge and still know you are not a committed gay man. They are not mutually exclusive.

    Aaron:

    'i feel the relationship between the parent and child should have a common understanding first.'

    I agree, Aaron. If parents are far-thinking types and can see their child is different, they might even like to raise the issue themselves.

    Orn:

    'everyone has a personal secret that they don't share with their families..and sometimes the reason for that could simply be because they probably don't want to know..'

    True. If parents don't want to know, or would rather think something else despite all the evidence pointing to the contrary, then why not let them. It might be easier for everyone.

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  4. Anonymous6 July 2009 at 10:07
    It seems to me that you made your own point its for the kids the nephews the neices the younger cousins so that they grow up knowing that they have a gay family member and that it is AS normal as having a non gay family member.

    The reason that progress and acceptance has been made is because more and more people know glbt people which makes it harder to demonise us.
    Its harder to believe negative stereotypes about glbt people when you've got a couple in the family. The reality is almost everyone knows/has contact with a glbt person.
    Realistically if you have hit a certain age and have never had a partner of the opposite sex the family already knows.
    The simplest way to put it is if you can tell the truth you should.

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    Wilko6 July 2009 at 10:31
    Well, l had a culinary disaster today.
    l made Beef Hotpot yesterday and took some to work this morning. lt spilled everywhere in the car. On the seat, floor and my PINK Radley handbag. l was not a happy bunny l assure you.

    l'm an Athiest, life's easier that way.

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    Bkkdreamer6 July 2009 at 18:28
    Anon:

    'It seems to me that you made your own point its for the kids the nephews the neices the younger cousins so that they grow up knowing that they have a gay family member and that it is AS normal as having a non gay family member.'

    But it's not, is it? There aren't as many gays, and the question is how those kids will adjust to the knowledge.

    'Realistically if you have hit a certain age and have never had a partner of the opposite sex the family already knows.'

    We all know that. But some families still would prefer not to have to acknowledge it.

    Wilko: You poor thing. That happened to me a few times, back in the days when I owned a car.

    Getting hotpot in the pink handbag is particualrly regrettable - when you open it now, you will think not 'pink' and other bright, happy thoughts, but 'hotpot', as the smell will be everywhere!

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    Kevo336 July 2009 at 21:10
    I'm not saying you HAVE to come out- i just know my life and relationship with my parents GREATLY improved after all was said and done. There's a good chance they could already know anyway, most parents are pretty clever you know ;)

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    Bkkdreamer6 July 2009 at 21:15
    As I said earlier, some parents may prefer not to acknowledge the obvious.

    It is up to the individual to judge how the news is likely to go down.

    He should not allow himself to be influenced by the pro-out brigade. Coming out is likely to work for some gays, but not everyone.

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    Wilko6 July 2009 at 23:23
    Pink...hotpot....no it's not the same.

    l agree with you BD, it's an individual discission. Also you have to gauge who you are telling. One relative maybe more open than the other.

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